Episode 11: The Importance Of Self Care As A Mom Clinician with MacKenzie Bradke
Balancing Motherhood and Therapy: Navigating the Challenges Together
Sustainable Self-Care and Connection in Uncertain Times
Welcome back to the Raised to Empower blog! I’m Ashley Comegys, your host and guide on this journey to balancing our roles as mothers, women, and therapists. On this week’s episode, we had an enlightening chat with Mackenzie Bradke, owner of Follow Your Arrow Counseling and creator of Middle Path Wellness Collective. Mackenzie’s commitment to supporting therapist moms is both inspiring and practical. Today, I want to dive deeper into some of the key points from our conversation and expand on how we can navigate being both a therapist and a mom, especially during overwhelming times like the pandemic.
Finding Our Path to Private Practice
Mackenzie's journey into private practice was propelled by a crisis that many of us can relate to—burnout. She spoke candidly about how her perfectionism and desire to be the perfect mom, employee, and wife left her physically depleted and in the hospital. This pivotal moment forced Mackenzie to reassess her priorities and embark on a full-time private practice journey in 2017.
Tip: Redefine ‘Perfect’
From Mackenzie's experience, we learn the importance of redefining what it means to be "perfect." Letting go of unattainable standards doesn’t make you less competent or caring—in fact, it opens the door to more sustainable living both for yourself and your family. It's crucial to use moments of crisis as opportunities to build a professional and personal life that honors your well-being.
The Reality of Multi-Hat Wearing
In our conversation, Mackenzie and I discussed how the pandemic forced many people, especially moms, to wear multiple hats without any transition time. The lack of physical and mental separation between different roles led to significant stress and adaptation fatigue. This continuous state of change and unpredictability has long-lasting impacts on our well-being.
Tip: Establish Micro-Transitions
Creating micro-transitions between roles can help mitigate the stress of constantly switching hats. Simple acts like taking a five-minute break to breathe deeply, changing your environment, or even symbolically changing your hat (literally or figuratively) can provide a mental cue to shift gears.
Therapist Moms: Unique Challenges and Solutions
Mackenzie specializes in working with therapist moms because she understands the unique challenges we face. Balancing professional and personal life is no small feat, especially when both spheres demand so much emotional and mental energy.
Tip: Community Building
Mackenzie's creation of a Facebook group—Thera Mamas Who Mimosa—demonstrates the power of a supportive community. Whether it's an online group or local meet-ups, having a network of peers who understand your unique challenges can be incredibly empowering. Don’t underestimate the benefits of sharing experiences, solutions, and simply knowing you are not alone.
Supporting Each Other During Collective Trauma
One of the most poignant parts of our conversation was about how to hold space for clients when we are experiencing the same collective traumas. Mackenzie bravely shared her strategy of temporarily distancing herself from her own feelings to be present for clients, even though it’s not the healthiest long-term approach.
Tip: Schedule Your Processing Time
While distancing is often necessary to get through the workday, it’s also essential to schedule time to process your own emotions. This could be through personal therapy, journaling, or even a regular "emotional check-in" with supportive friends or family members. Acknowledging your own needs helps avoid long-term burnout and compassion fatigue.
Retreats and Self-Care for Therapist Moms
One aspect of Mackenzie’s work that I find incredibly exciting is her upcoming TheraMama retreat. Providing a nurturing, all-inclusive environment where therapist moms can relax, network, and turn off the "caregiver" part of their brains for a weekend is so valuable.
Tip: Embrace Retreats
Allowing yourself to step away from your many roles and immerse in a self-care retreat can rejuvenate your spirit and energy. Plan periodic retreats or mini-getaways to recharge. It can make a world of difference in your professional and personal effectiveness.
Conclusion: Empower Yourself to Empower Others
In closing, remember that the work we do as therapist moms is immeasurably important, but so is taking care of ourselves. As we juggle responsibilities and navigate challenges, let’s commit to redefining perfection, establishing boundaries, building community, and prioritizing our self-care. Remember, empowered therapists create empowered clients.
Thank you for joining me on this journey. If you’re interested in Mackenzie’s retreat or other supportive resources, check the show notes for all the links. Let’s continue to support each other and grow stronger together. See you next week!
Empower yourself to empower others.
– Ashley
Transcript for Episode 11
[00:00:00] Ashley Comegys: You are listening to the Raised to Empower podcast. I'm your host, Ashley Comegys, a licensed clinical social worker with a multi-state online therapy practice. I have a passion for empowering women and mom therapists to break free of the fear, overwhelm, and oppressive systems that hold them back from taking action and building the private practice of their dreams.
[00:00:23] My goal is for you to boldly believe in yourself as a clinician and business owner. If you are looking for a place to learn, practice, building, strategy and skill, while also claiming your own power as a woman and a therapist, then you are in the right place. Welcome to the show. Welcome to this week's episode of the Raised Empower Podcast.
[00:00:45] I'm really excited to be sitting down to chat today with my guest, Mackenzie. Brad Key. She. Owner of Follow Your Arrow, counseling creator of Middle Path Wellness Collective in a suburb of St. Louis, Missouri. She's been in private practice [00:01:00] part-time since 2007, and full-time since 2017. She works with moms therapists and therapists who are moms specializing in the mother load.
[00:01:10] Mackenzie, thank you for being here today. I'm excited to chat with you. Thanks for having me. I'm excited too. So I'm always curious how people got their start. Like what led you to private practice? What led you to the work that you're doing now?
[00:01:26] MacKenzie Bradke: I always had an interest in not doing case management. Um, so I started, I worked with a, um, psychiatrist.
[00:01:35] Um, community-based mental health and she was always very supportive of us kind of branching out and doing private practice, um, with her. And so, um, that started my part-time private practice. And then my daughter kind of, um, pushed me into full-time private practice. She is adopted and so after we got [00:02:00] her, um, as a newborn, a few months later, I got a.
[00:02:04] That I couldn't get rid of because I was working again. Um, I was actually working in hospice at that time, but um, I was just working too much, trying to do all the things as a mom, be the perfect mom, the perfect employee, the perfect everything. And, um, I tanked and I ended up in the hospital and my husband said, you're not going back there.
[00:02:24] I said, okay, I agree. So now, So, um, yeah, so I went into full-time private practice in, um, 2017. I worked for a group and then, um, a year later I went out specifically on my own, not working for a group, just working for myself. So it's been awesome. I love it.
[00:02:44] Ashley Comegys: Yeah. What was that like for you to realize This job is making me sick almost, right?
[00:02:50] Like, I can't keep doing this because I think. For a lot of us, we get into something and we're like, well, this is what I'm quote unquote supposed to do, or This is [00:03:00] what I went to school for, and kind of have a hard time letting go of that. What was that like for you to be like, no, this isn't working for me
[00:03:07] MacKenzie Bradke: anymore?
[00:03:08] It was really hard because, um, I am a perfectionist and I wanted to do all the things, and I love hospice. I would possibly still be there if that hadn't happened, but being taken out of your house by an ambulance is a very humbling experience. And just the bouncing up and down of, I can breathe one day and the next day I can't.
[00:03:36] And just. Waiting too long and then my husband having to call an ambulance and yeah. And then I. Him also telling me how scary that was for him. Sure. And that he doesn't want to like do life without me and our daughter needed us or needed me as well. And [00:04:00] I think kind of getting over myself too, like recognizing, okay, you really need to stop, you really need to, to put your family first and Sure.
[00:04:11] Just let go of the perfectionism.
[00:04:14] Ashley Comegys: Yeah. Yeah. That's really hard for me. I think there's a lot of us in this field that fight that, right? Oh yeah. And the supposed tos and like this is, this wasn't the plan. Right. And so like, what do I do now with that? Totally. Yeah. So I know you work primarily with moms and therapists moms mm-hmm.
[00:04:35] In your practice, what led you to that niche to work in?
[00:04:40] MacKenzie Bradke: Um, I've always enjoyed working with other women, um, like the older teenage bracket, young adult, but I think really just being a mom myself and realizing what a, um, Can I, can I curse a little bit? Go ahead. Is that okay? Okay, great. Yeah, just kind of recognizing what a shit show [00:05:00] that is.
[00:05:00] Yeah. And um, recognizing that like, I need other people to be like, oh yeah, no, it's okay. Like I let my kid. Eat sugar for breakfast, you know, whatever. Sure. Whatever the case may be. And just kind of normalizing the, um, the things that we're not supposed to do or the things that I'm never gonna do that as a parent.
[00:05:21] Right. Yeah. I did 'em all. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Out the window. Out the window. So I really just started focusing and then obviously the pandemic hit and so. Really focusing on that with moms and, and working, um, professionals who are also moms. And then, I mean, I'm a therapist. I love therapists. We, we are human beings.
[00:05:45] Mm-hmm. And we tend to forget that Very. Yeah. Very easily. So I want to be someone for them that they can come to my office and put that the. Part of them aside and just be the person that they are.
[00:05:59] Ashley Comegys: [00:06:00] Well, and I think one of the things that's been so hard the last three years is we've all been wearing all the hats.
[00:06:08] Especially if you have a family and you know, you've been in practice, whether you've been working for a group solo practice, community, mental health, whatever it is, like we've been doing it all. And where has been the space to take care of?
[00:06:23] MacKenzie Bradke: Yeah. And I think another piece to that too is we were doing all of that without, without a transition.
[00:06:32] Yeah. We were doing that without the commute home. Yes. And I mean, my stair steps were not enough of a commute to like let go of the day. And jump into mom or you know, whatever the next thing was, everything was done in the same place and that was fun for a minute, but then it got old real fast. I'm like, sure I can do this for two weeks.
[00:06:58] Of course. Right. This will be [00:07:00] fun family time, like I don't have to go anywhere. I can wear like pajama pants to do my sessions. Yes, please. No, no, thank you. That's I'm, I'm done.
[00:07:12] Ashley Comegys: Yeah. Very quickly I was done. Yeah. Well, and the hard part, I think, well, I mean there's been so many hard parts, but I think, I think one of the hard parts, like when I think back to that time was we didn't have clarity on like, how long did we have to do this?
[00:07:28] Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. I remember when they said, okay, you're home for two. Right. There was something in me at the time. I was like, I, I don't think it's gonna be that. I really don't think it is. I couldn't tell you what it was gonna be. Right. But I don't think it's gonna be that. And it just kept going and going.
[00:07:44] And I think that made things challenging. Mm-hmm. Because if you can tell me you've got three more days of this, you're like, okay, right. I can find this story through. Right. But no one could tell us when does this end? And I know [00:08:00] especially, For moms that I've worked with and talked with, adaptation fatigue, right?
[00:08:07] Mm-hmm. Where you're like, okay, today this is what we're doing and this is, I've figured it out. Yeah. And the next thing you know, the game has changed and it's like, oh no, no. Now this is it. And like, we're tired from that.
[00:08:19] MacKenzie Bradke: Oh yeah. Exhausted physically and emotionally and like trying to explain to my daughter, she was three at the time.
[00:08:27] She had just started preschool, um, in January, and trying to explain to her and her three-year-old mind. Why we have to wear masks. Yeah. Why we can't go anywhere. Cuz she's like, mom, I wanna go, go, go. Like we were used to going and doing things and even just going to the store. She's like, mom, I wanna go.
[00:08:48] I'm like, not without this mask. Right? And for a while, like, no, you're absolutely not going. And our house. Hold was, um, immune compromised and so we had to be extra, extra careful. [00:09:00] And so all of those extra precautions too. And again, just trying to get her to understand that
[00:09:07] Ashley Comegys: no, I had found out I was pregnant with our second.
[00:09:10] Exactly a month before our state was shut down. And so, you know, there was a lot at the time that was like, we don't know what this means, right? Mm-hmm. Like, we don't know. And so, yeah, we had, we took a lot of precautions too. And it was one of those things where as a mom, I'm like, worried for this baby.
[00:09:30] Mm-hmm. I'm worried for my son. And yet you're also trying to balance, like, I need you to understand you have to. Take these precautions, but I don't want to scare you, but I also need you to understand, right? Like this is serious. And so I'm carrying around that anxiety daily. Mm-hmm. And then I'm going into sessions where I'm trying to hold space for clients who are also carrying that around daily.
[00:09:54] MacKenzie Bradke: Yep. Yeah, that was weird. Yeah. We don't often go [00:10:00] through the same thing that our clients do, and so I don't even know how to describe that. It. In a strange way, it was comforting and yet very surreal. Yeah, and to be perfectly honest, it was probably less therapeutic some days than, yeah. It needed to be, or anybody wanted it to be, and it was just really kind of just sharing.
[00:10:28] What are you doing for this? Like, Ooh, I found a new recipe. Recipe. Please send it cuz. Okay, great. Cuz I'm tired of everything right? That I'm cooking and we ordered from this restaurant and this, you know, like just trying to figure out again how to do daily life. But with all of these changes, and it just really was for a lot of people, and I was working with teens at the time.
[00:10:51] A lot of them just wanted, like I was the only person like outside of their house Yeah. That they had to talk with, and so they just really wanted to [00:11:00] chitchat. I'm like, okay, go for it. Like that's fine. Right? Yeah. It just needed to be that, because that was the, the one normal-ish right. Thing that they had and.
[00:11:13] We did it. We did it. Yeah.
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[00:12:08] Like at the time of this recording, um, we're a couple days out from a recent shooting mm-hmm. Um, in Nashville, and you and I were chatting a little bit before we hit record, just about the challenges that we have been facing the last few years and even still continue to face when there are collective experiences that our clients are going through and we're like, I'm processing this too.
[00:12:34] I'm curious for you, especially as a therapist, who you're a mom. Mm-hmm. You specialize in working with moms. You also specialize in working with therapists who are moms. Yeah. How you hold space for that, for others, but also. Try to hold space for yourself while like you're still trying to process some of this stuff.
[00:12:55] MacKenzie Bradke: It's funny you ask about that cuz I actually talked to two [00:13:00] separate clients about that shooting and um, gosh, now I don't even remember. It wasn't too long ago. St. Louis had one of their own shootings. Um, and so that. That was way too close to home. Sure. To be perfectly honest, I don't have a good answer, um, because I am a human being right before I'm a therapist, and so I told both of my clients very honestly this morning that I really just have to kind of shut myself off, otherwise I'm not leaving my house again.
[00:13:35] Yeah, I I, it's hard to drop my daughter. School because she goes to a private school and like that was supposed to be safe, right? Like, that's not why we sent her there. But like that was like, okay, like the odds of that happening are maybe a little bit less, right? Or not, maybe not now. You know? For sure it's not.
[00:13:54] And so that's really scary. So I feel like we're kind of like, here we go again. Here is [00:14:00] this, like you said, this collective trauma that we're experiencing at the same time. And for me to hold space for them, I have to shut my own brain off. Yeah. And distance myself very, very far from that. And that is so incredibly not healthy for me to do.
[00:14:21] Sure. And not what I would would want them to do. Yeah. But for me to be able to. Support them. I have to.
[00:14:30] Ashley Comegys: Do you find that you give yourself space to process it later on, or is it like, no, I just, I can't let myself go there.
[00:14:39] MacKenzie Bradke: Um, I can't let myself go there, to be perfectly honest. And that is, that is unfortunate because I, I am, I am a mom and
[00:14:50] Ashley Comegys: you're human.
[00:14:51] MacKenzie Bradke: And, and I'm human. Yeah. And. We deal with a lot of heavy stuff personally, [00:15:00] professionally, it's just really hard. And I, I think therapists, um, collectively just really kind of suck at self-care. I would agree. I feel like I can say that and, you know, kind of tongue in cheek, but we do, we, we suck. And that's why it was really important for me to start working with the.
[00:15:20] And therapists who are moms, because that's just kind of a different animal in itself. Sure. Being a therapist, but then you throw in the mom part and it's like even different and Right. And encouraging them and giving them the avenue to take care of themselves. Yeah.
[00:15:37] Ashley Comegys: We hold space for some really heavy stuff.
[00:15:40] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And like we have the privilege to be the person that someone is sharing with that, with about this stuff. Yeah. But, Separate from what our experience is, it is a little bit easier to come outta session. Absolutely. Like, okay, that was a lot. Yeah. But now I can tend to my own things or I can process my own things.
[00:15:59] [00:16:00] When I think back to, especially again, like during the last three, three years of the pandemic where you're like, yes, I'm processing this stuff and I can't escape it when I leave my office right there in my face, that makes it so much harder when it hits very. To home. Yeah. I remember having my own therapy session sometime during the pandemic and I said to my therapist, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna talk about Covid today.
[00:16:24] And I'm apologizing cuz I know what it's like to be on that end because this is literally all everybody is talking about. Absolutely. You, it's like you can't escape it and it's, it's hard. It's really hard when your clients are going through the same stuff you are.
[00:16:41] MacKenzie Bradke: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. And kind of on the flip side of that, there is again, some little bits of comfort that.
[00:16:52] That I think like our clients sometimes are like, but do you really get where I'm coming from? Like, do you really understand [00:17:00] why I am like so upset about this or whatever? Or you know, like, but do you have kids questions? Right, right, right. And so I think for them to know that we're also trudging through this ourselves.
[00:17:13] Yes. And we don't necessarily have the. I think they kind of feel like, oh yeah, okay. You are a human being like, okay, great. And that kind of allows us to bond a little bit deeper to some
[00:17:24] Ashley Comegys: degree. Yes. So no, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It creates connection and I think it helps them to feel seen and to feel validated that like, oh, okay, it's not just me.
[00:17:36] There's others that are going through this. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So tell me a little bit about the work you're doing outside of the therapy room with supporting mm-hmm. Therapist moms. Yeah. Because I know that's something you're really passionate about is Yes. Supporting moms who are therapists, but not just like sitting on the couch as a client.
[00:17:55] Yeah, exactly.
[00:17:56] MacKenzie Bradke: Yes. So I started a um, Facebook group called, [00:18:00] um, Sarah Mamas who Mimosa, um, I don't know where I came up with that name. I think I had some help with it, but I love it. Um, and it's really, it's a Facebook group for therapists moms, and it's just really providing a community for them to not only network, but to also be supported.
[00:18:20] And empowered and have a larger network, um, because we're isolated to some degree, you know? Mm-hmm. Some of us do work telehealth at home. Yeah. So we're not seeing our clients in person, so we don't get that energy from them or you know, I just opened a collective because I was the only one in my office and I was lone.
[00:18:44] And I was seeing clients in person, but that's not what I was looking for. Sure. I wanted other clinicians. So this Facebook group has offered that. Um, and like the local people that are in that group, we get together, um, once a month for coffee or brunch or [00:19:00] whatever. Um, this weekend I'm hosting a self-care Sunday.
[00:19:03] There will be like food and snacks and then relaxation services, so I'm really excited about that. But the big piece that I'm super excited about is the inaugural the Mama Retreat. Yes. Tell us more about that. Yeah, so it's in a, um, I'm in Missouri again, so we. Some wine country area nearby about an hour away.
[00:19:30] So I have a mansion for us and we're going to be, um, just relaxing and networking with each other is a very small group. Um, we'll be going to the wineries yes, and really just relaxing to give them permission to take care of themselves and we're not gonna talk business. That will happen anyway. Like that's just how we operate.
[00:19:59] [00:20:00] Right. But, but really focusing on like I am pampering them. I have taken care of everything. It's all inclusive. They just need to show up. They don't have to pay for anything else other than the retreat. Yeah. Unless they want like other stuff. But it's just focused for them. Yeah. For that relaxation. Like really catering to who they are and letting someone else take care of them for a moment.
[00:20:28] Yeah. Instead of them taking care of someone else. So I'm So Well, and
[00:20:33] Ashley Comegys: as you about that. Yeah. Well, as you were talking about like giving themselves permission to take care of themselves. Mm-hmm. Like what struck me is, Especially moms, we're so bad at giving ourselves permission to have time away from our kids to take care of ourselves.
[00:20:50] But then I think for therapists, we're all so bad at it. I, I see so often I don't wanna leave my clients or like, I feel bad taking a [00:21:00] week off, even though like, I really need it and it's okay that I need vacation or I'm sick. It's not just giving ourselves permission to step away. From our role as a mom, but also our role as therapist and like absolutely, truly taking off that caregiver hat.
[00:21:16] MacKenzie Bradke: Absolutely. And that's one thing that I've really been focusing on just for myself this year, is taking that time and allowing myself to, okay, I am sick. I do need to take the day off. My clients will be fine. Yes. Like their world does not revolve around me. Right. They'll be fine. My clients, they'll text me if they need something, if they need a phone call or whatever.
[00:21:42] They send me tos all the time, you know, whatever. So yeah, thankfully my clients are very stable. I realize some people work with populations that are not, but we have to, as moms and therapists, as just women, we have to do a better job [00:22:00] taking the time and recognizing that if we are burned out, we are not functional in any of our.
[00:22:10] Those roles are also going to suffer if personally we're burned out, we're tired, we're anxious, whatever the case may be, right? Those roles are also going to be affected, and as I continue to wrap my head around that, that makes it easier for me to give myself permission to. I just went on a girls weekend this past weekend and it was great and I kind of didn't want to come home, but.
[00:22:36] My husband was, and I mean we had just been gone for a week, the, yeah, like two weeks prior for my daughter's spring break. And he's like, yeah, absolutely. Please go. Like it's totally fine. That support from him is, is huge. And I realize some people don't have that. Right. And that really sucks, but we still have to do that for ourselves.
[00:22:57] Ashley Comegys: Well, and I think it's also. To [00:23:00] reframe it when we're struggling with it, of this is also a way for me to model, whether it's for my clients or for my kids, how to care for ourselves, right? Like no one would be like, yeah, I want my kid to grow up and burn out. Right? No one would want that. No one says that.
[00:23:16] Right? How are they gonna learn? Mm-hmm. What it means to take care of yourself. You're there if we're not showing them how.
[00:23:25] MacKenzie Bradke: Yep. In February, I went to, um, South Carolina for a work summit and my daughter was like, mommy, why do you have to go? I don't want you to go. And I told her, I said, honey, it's good for us to have some time away from each other.
[00:23:39] Yeah, we live together all the time. We see each other all the time. It's good for us to. Away. It's good for you to go and spend the night at Papa's house. It's good for you to go to a friend's house. It's good for mommy to go on a work trip or a fun trip. And I said, when you're older, you'll understand.
[00:23:58] Yes.
[00:23:59] Ashley Comegys: [00:24:00] Yeah. No, it is hard when they say that. Like, do you have to go? You're like, I know, but you're like, yes, I do.
[00:24:06] MacKenzie Bradke: I really do. Yeah. And then like the big old hugs and like perfect behavior when you get home. It's totally worth it. Right?
[00:24:14] Ashley Comegys: Well, if somebody wanted to learn more about your retreat or connect with you, where can they find
[00:24:20] MacKenzie Bradke: you?
[00:24:21] Um, they, oh gosh, I'm all over the place. Um, I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram. Um, I don't do a whole lot on Instagram cuz I'm old and I don't understand it. But anyway, um, so Facebook, um, thera Mamas who mimosa, and then my website is, um, follow Your arrow.info. Um, and so I have like regular. Client stuff and then I have a tab four therapist and my, the retreat is there on Instagram.
[00:24:51] I am the underscore mom, underscore therapist.
[00:24:58] Ashley Comegys: And if someone's [00:25:00] interested about the retreat, where can they either sign up or learn more about that?
[00:25:05] MacKenzie Bradke: Yeah. On the website, under that therapist tab, there is a link for the, the retreat itself. And then they can schedule or email me through there too. They can schedule, uh, like an information call so we can kind of chat.
[00:25:18] Um, but all. All the info, all the goods are on there. Yeah.
[00:25:22] Ashley Comegys: And I know you said that for listeners who are interested in the retreat, that they can send you a message and they may even get a discount on their registration. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. We'll have all that information in the show notes on how you can do that, um, and how you can reach out to Mackenzie about that.
[00:25:44] Well, Mackenzie, I'm so glad to have you on the show today and to get a chance to connect with you. I think these are important conversations Yeah. That we're having as moms and as women. Cuz this isn't easy work. And it's like you said, when our clients are having that shared common experience, you're [00:26:00] like, oh yeah, I'm not alone.
[00:26:02] And then, When you connect with other therapists who are moms and who are women, and they're going through it, you're like, oh my gosh, I really am not alone. You get all of it. Exactly.
[00:26:12] MacKenzie Bradke: Exactly. Yep. Thanks
[00:26:14] Ashley Comegys: for having me. I appreciate it. You're welcome. I'm sure this won't be our last time chatting,
[00:26:18] MacKenzie Bradke: and I look forward to connecting again soon.
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